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(Mr. Excitement. PicProps: Peace Magazine, Canada's "Street Style" Magazine. No, seriously.)

There seems to be quite a bit of electronic hand-wringing going on this week about the prospect of Frankie Edgar’s first post-BJ Penn title defense coming against Gray Maynard. Reactions range from sheer disbelief that Edgar handled Penn in two straight fights, to pundits wondering aloud if Edgar and Maynard are really the best 155-pounders in the world to a palpable feeling of dread about watching these two match their respective styles for five rounds. While both guys are too classy to say what really needs to be said to these detractors -- we'd probably go with something along the lines of "Tough shit, assholes," but that's just us -- you can't expect them to change their fighting styles just to please the fans, either.

For his part, Edgar said at the UFC 118 post-fight press conference that he plans to just keep winning fights until the haters stop hating. Now Maynard is also on-record saying he will just keep on keeping on, at least until someone can stop the takedowns.

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"I see myself as the favourite in this fight (against Yoshihiro Akiyama) and if I don't win, then I'll be very disappointed.

"I've been a proud ambassador of UK MMA, I've worked hard and I've helped grow the sport to where it is. I haven't disappeared off to America, like some Mohican wearing people (Dan Hardy) and lived there and trained there, but then come back here and pretend I'm English.

"My roots are here in England and I stay here and I train here and I'm proud to be English. You know, I don't go training in America because the trainings better, but then come here and try and get all the UK fans on my side. I'm English and this is where I'm from and this is where I train".

"I'd love to fight Chael Sonnen. He's looking phenomenal. ...I think personally he's a bit of a tool to be honest. He's awesome at promoting a fight, but he's delusional and he's so far up his own arse it's unbelievable".

"I think if I beat Akiyama well, I think either a rematch with Wanderlei (Silva) or Chael Sonnen or (Nate) Marquardt or whoever the top guys are in line for the title - I want to fight one of them contenders and then hopefully get a shot".

-- Check out the full interview at blogs.mirror.co.uk.

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Some interesting insight from a Ben Fowlkes piece today. He talks to Javier Mendez, a champion kickboxer and trainer at the American Kickboxing Academy:

"They usually give you A or B or C and you get to choose. But sometimes they just give you A, and either you take the fight or you don't. But in general with the UFC, they tell you who they want you to fight."

Fowlkes also talks to AKA fighter Mike Swick:

Sometimes, as Swick explained, they tell you before they tell your management, and the result is a clash of differing expectations.

"The one fight I took without talking to my manager was David Louiseau. I told Joe Silva I'd take that fight and I wanted to be a number one contender so bad. Then I called Bob Cook and I remember telling him, and there was nothing but silence on the other end of the phone. That's when I remember thinking, oh sh-t."

Bob Cook is the head MMA trainers at AKA and Mike Swick's manager.

This is a very telling insight into how the UFC works with the fighters under contract to them. Some fighters get some options -- for example, Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin apparently had the latitude to turn down a bout with Jon Jones. But other fighters, enjoying less favored nation status than organization favorites like Griffin and Franklin, are simply presented with their next opponent, take it or leave it.

Roy Nelson was presented with his UFC 117 bout against Junior Dos Santos in that manner as a take it or leave it bout. 

All fighters need to project an image of "I'll fight anybody, anytime", but the reality is that they have to be very careful in their fight choices. Basically, a fighter only wants to take fights that will help move his career forward. Early on in a prospect's career, the goal is to find him relatively easy fights against journeymen with limited skill sets who present an ever increasing set of challenges.

Later on, once a fighter is ready for mid-tier competition, the goal will be to find fighters with a bigger reputation and name brand that the prospect nevertheless has an excellent chance to beat. 

From there it's a matter of weighing the pay day against the long term career impact. For a fighter like Marcus Davis who is in his late 30's and has already pretty much been eliminated from contention in the UFC welterweight division a fight against a young lion like Nate Diaz makes sense. Win or lose it's great exposure and a solid pay day and if he wins, instant relevance.

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(Just pick the one that goes best with your shoes, Manny. PicProps: The Global Herald)

It was only a matter of time before someone published this story, right? In the wake of James Toney’s halfhearted loss to Randy Couture last weekend at UFC 118, BoxingScene.com reports that pound-for-pound boxing king Manny Pacquiao says he’d be interested in bringing his skills to the cage, too. Obviously there’s no chance this ever happens – and we assume the next few months will be full of breathless “(Insert Famous Boxer’s Name Here) Also Interested in MMA!” stories – but it is at least interesting to note that even the best pugilist on the planet is willing to give lip service to fighting in our sport.

It’s also worthwhile to follow the link just to read the few comments on Boxing Scene’s original story. We don’t want to spoil it for you, but let’s just say there is across-the-board agreement from guys with names like “Neck Snapper” that “Pac” would destroy these “UFC fags.” There also seems to be some confusion about the proper use of “there, their and they’re.” Just saying.

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The guys over at Hammerfisted.com invited Ben and I to be on their podcast this week, but since B-Gold had a Twilight Fan Expo wedding to attend, I had to go it alone. On the show, which can be listened to here, we discussed a variety of topics including the UG, late night phone calls from Gus Johnson and the real reason why I wasn't at the Boston fan expo.

I apologize in advance for my homemade apple wine and ADHD-fueled babble. Give it a listen, if only to make fun of my Canadian accent.

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From BoxingScene.com (HT MMA.tv):

During a recent press conference, BoxingScene.com's Bill Emes and Michael Marley cornered Manny Pacquiao on the subject of Mixed Martial Arts. Pacquiao said he watched MMA and UFC, but said it was "too brutal" when asked for his thoughts on the sport.

When asked if he would ever consider trying his hand at Mixed Martial Arts, Pacquiao replied to BoxingScene - "I want to, but they [promters and management] don't want me to fight."

He said if promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank and adviser Michael Koncz said it was okay, he would consider entering the cage. Michael Koncz cut in at that point and told Pacquiao - "you know that you could do what you want."

I'm sure that Pacquiao's promoters would never let him near a UFC cage except for one thing -- there really aren't many big money pay days left for Pacquiao in boxing. Floyd Mayweather seems bent on ducking him and blowing the biggest boxing bout of the young century. Manny is already reduced to fighting Antonio Margarito, a man who has been caught loading his gloves -- the most dangerous cheat in boxing. 

In three to five years if Mayweather still hasn't been convinced to get into the ring with Pacquiao -- or if he does and is beaten by Pac -- I wouldn't think it completely outside the realm of possibility that he does an MMA fight. If the UFC wanted to really break some PPV records or make a big splash in the Philippines, booking a Pacquiao MMA fight would be a sure fire ticket.

If I were Pac and his handlers, I'd want at least 18 months to train for MMA and a couple of build up fights against guys with limited grappling abilities before facing anyone really formidable. But even in the best case scenario, I don't see Pac ever being an MMA champ in a major promotion and any losses he took in the cage would inevitably damage his brand value and that of boxing as a whole.

But if boxing can't provide the epic matchups worthy of such a great and popular fighter, maybe its time as the pre-eminent world wide combat sport are drawing to a close.

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(It took some time, but the Sao Paulo Big Brothers, Big Sisters program finally found Thiago a perfect match. PicProps: TattooBlues)

Much respect to Tatame.com, which is pretty much a constant torrent of breaking news regarding MMA’s Boys From Brazil and even publishes an English language version for those of us too boorish and unrefined to speak the country’s mother tongue. We can’t all be multilingual giants like Chael Sonnen, now can we? Is some of the website’s English prose more or less unintelligible? Sure, but God knows if American bloggers had to keep up Portuguese versions of their sites, most of the results wouldn’t be pretty, either. In fact, what Tatame lacks in clarity it often makes up for with a wonderful unexpectedness of language. Kind of like reading an Aleksandar Hemon short story, only better because it’s about fighting. 

Take for example the site’s latest report on oft injured light heavyweight Thaigo Silva, which begins with a title befitting a Top 40 Country & Western hit and ends with a final paragraph that reads like some kind of weird, impressionist poetry. The facts are this: Silva’s back has been in upheaval since late 2008 and the 28-year-old has had no choice but give it some R&R afer pulling out of a scheduled fight at UFC 117. Now, if things go according to plan, Silva hopes to return before the end of the year.

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Thirty one magical days. That's all it took to rekindle a passion for MMA that had been slowly slipping away.  Before August began, in the midst of a summer doldrums, I predicted it would be a heck of a month for the fight game:

All that is about to change next month when the summer finally heats up with great shows all over the map. The fights are amazing across the board, but there are several that I am chomping at the bit to see-five cards, five fights, in four different promotions.

I've never been happier to be right. Last month was one of the most amazing in MMA history. There were a series of great fights all over the map, the kind of fights that don't fade from memory, the kind of fights that make an impact. And as Cageside Seats writer Gene Mrosko points out, it wasn't just the usual suspects delivering the tremendous bouts. Even Japanese MMA pulled its head out of its fourth point of contact long enough to wow us all:

Sengoku though gave us what may have ended up being Fight of the Year. Jorge Santiago and Kazuo Misaki had an unbelievable rematch that went back and forth over the duration of the fight until Misaki's corner threw in the towel with less than 30 seconds remaining in the fight. The scores may have revealed a win for Misaki so the fact that his corner threw in the towel was questionable at first but he later revealed that it was the right decision. Instead of any sort of controversy involved in a decision we got a clean victory in an unreal fight.

August is now behind us and September is off to a great start. Two days in, and we've already got a classic: Bellator's Joe Warren and Joe Soto put themselves on the map as two stars to watch with a tremendous clash for the Bellator Featherweight gold. What else can we look forward to this month? I've got five fights that have me salivating after the break.

5. Antonio McKee vs. Luciano Azevedo: MFC 26 "Retribution," Sept. 10 -- Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

McKee is one of the sport's most controversial figures, at least amongst hardcore fans. Casual fans have no idea who he is - and to him, that's the problem. McKee, to put it kindly, fights very conservatively. You know the fights that fans boo in the arenas, the ones fans decry as "lay and pray?" McKee sometimes makes those fights look like Nick Diaz-Takanori Gomi. He hasn't lost since 2003. He's also only finished a single fight in that time frame (another opponent had to quit with an injury).

This time though, this time will be different. McKee promises he will finish the fight or retire. And Azevedo is no easy mark. He once choked out WEC Featherweight champion Jose Aldo and has fought some serious competition like Hayato Sakurai, Din Thomas, and Rodrigo Damm. This could be a very good fight, good enough to warm a chilly Canadian night.

4. Paul Daley vs. Jorge Masvidal: Shark Fights 13, Sept. 11 -- Amarillo, Texas

The former UFC bad boy is looking to come back strong. Jorge Masvidal is in the way. Although Daley has the UFC pedigree, I think Masvidal (at just 25) is actually a more promising prospect. This is just one of a smorgasboard of incredible fights on this Shark Fights card, headlined by Keith Jardine vs. Trevor Prangley. The announce crew of Bas Rutten and Don Frye is worth $29.95 on their own. Very promising night of fights in Amarillo.

3. Ryan Bader vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: UFC 119, Sept. 25 -- Indianapolis, Indiana

UFC 119 has one of the worst main events in the modern era, a fight between Mirko Cro Cop and Frank Mir that might have wowed them in 2005, but in 2010, leaves my blood cold. What it does have, lurking just beneath the surface, is a great fight between Bader and the twin brother of his Ultimate Fighter coach.

Bader doesn't really get his due. In truth, he's probably the UFC's best prospect at 205 pounds. And this is the night he proves it.

2. Jeremy Horn vs. Bryan Baker: Bellator 30, Sept. 23 -- Louisville, Kentucky

It's a barely hidden secret that Jeremy Horn is one of my all-time favorite fighters. And I realize that his fight with Bryan Baker may not be on the minds of the masses. Too bad! This is my list; if you don't like it make your own! Seriously though, this is one of those interesting fights that shows how a young fighter is progressing. Baker has held his own with Chael Sonnen and several other UFC vets. If he beats Horn, I'd expect Joe Silva to be dialing his cell by the end of the night.

1. Mark Hominick vs. Leonard Garcia: WEC 51, September 30 -- Broomfield, Colorado

Leonard Garcia is an exciting fighter. Over and over again, from the USWF to the UFC, he's wowed the crowd with a level of violence that's unusual even for cagefighting. Hominick could be a great foil for him. Both are more than willing to throw down, and both have sneaky submission games as well. To top it off, Jose Aldo will follow the two in the main event. Another triumph of WEC matchmaking that no one will watch.

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By DL “Dance Lord” Richardson

(Video courtesy YouTube/BellatorMMA)

When it comes to MMA, everyone has preferences. Some people want nothing but knockouts (these are the people waiting three hours to get Chuck Liddell’s autograph), some people love nothing more than a fighter scoring a submission win off their back (if you don’t heart Sakuraba, I don’t want to be your friend). Some people love the heavy leather of the weight classes over 200 pounds (looking at you, Stak40), and some people love the non-stop dynamos that compete below 160 pounds. For those who dig an “I just gave my four year old Starbucks and meth” pace, Bellator hooked it up with a bantamweight showcase at The Majestic Theatre in San Antonio last night, and topped off the card with a much-anticipated matchup between current Featherweight Champion Joe Soto and Joe Warren. If you missed it, you better have a damn good reason or a note from your mom.

Come on in for a recap, but I *highly suggest* you watch Soto - Warren before you read it. These guys both wanted the belt like a thirteen year old girl wants a vampire boyfriend, and they put on a jaw dropper. I’ll talk about it, run down the other fights on the card, and if you’re good boys and girls, I’ll even tell you about bantams.

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This is a little old, but I wanted to cover it on BE. Luke Thomas appeared on the Jordan Breen Radio Show on August 26th and made an argument that viewing MMA through a pro wrestling lens is a mistake. There’s been a good bit of response to Luke’s comments, most of it focused on his unfortunate decision to insult wrestling fans as a group. There’s actually a substantive argument presented on the show and I wanted to present Luke’s case (transcribed by Zach Arnold and you can read the whole thing at Fight Opinion):

LUKE THOMAS: “Well, this whole nonsense, this guy’s a heel, this guy’s a babyface, this is a turnface, this farrago of absolute inane [expletive], shut the [expletive] up. There’s a reason I don’t watch pro-wrestling. You know why? BECAUSE IT SUCKS, that’s why. I don’t like FICTION. Thanks. I like sports and I’m not alone. I’m not alone. I mean, listen, are there obvious, obvious familial relationships between MMA and pro-wrestling? Yes, of course, you have to be a buffoon to argue otherwise. From Japan, in America, and the way the UFC has structured it’s business and the way in which they promote, yes, of course, of course there is no denying that and you would be really, really dishonest in saying otherwise. But STOP pretending you can distill MMA on pro-wrestling’s terms. You cannot. It’s real as much that may pain you to think.”

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JORDAN BREEN: “I do find it really interesting, too, that any time there’s anything that can be considered a triumph for pro-wrestling in the sphere of MMA, it’s used as justification that somehow pro-wrestling is somehow a legitimate entity, like it’s a finishing school for something higher. You know, we look at something like Silva/Sonnen and the message taken away is, OH, WELL SONNEN TALKED TO ROWDY RODDY PIPER ABOUT HOW TO CUT TO A PROMO AND HE REALLY LIKED PRO-WRESTLING SO CLEARLY MMA WOULD BE NOWHERE WITHOUT PRO-WRESTLING. ‘Anderson Silva only became great because he got pro-wrestling help from Chael Sonnen. Chael Sonnen got him over, as they say in the business,’ ‘eh Luke, ‘eh? ‘eh? ‘eh?”

LUKE THOMAS: “Or the other thing that I love is like, hey is MMA boring? Throw in a little pro-wrestling atmospherics and suddenly it’s interesting. Saying or, what was the one that really got me? The one that really got me is the only difference between pro-wrestling and MMA is that MMA is real is like saying the only difference between monkeys and humans is that humans can talk. It’s like, uh…. not exactly. I mean, the genetic similarity between humans and apes is 99% but we’re pretty different at this point. The branching of the trees is trending away and that’s the real critical consideration here. As much as the UFC, in fact, no doubt about it, employed a lot of the WWE’s game plan for their growth and their development and their promotion, they’re trending towards the sporting audience. That is the audience that they’re creating. I know that FOR A FACT. I know that for a fact in meetings I’ve had with SBNation, they are dying to get more of the actual sporting audience and everybody loves a little trash talk. That’s sport-wise, baseball, basketball, everybody loves theater. I mean, my God, in D.C. the theater between Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan, where are your pro-wrestling constructs now, assholes? You know I don’t see anybody be like, ‘oh Albert Haynesworth is the typical heel!’ You know, that seems to fall away very conveniently in sports they don’t pay attention but you could just as easily apply it. But the reality is…”

More from Luke and Breen in the full entry.

JORDAN BREEN: “The reality I think there is that they might try to do it but the real truth is MMA has become the sport for pro-wrestling fans and essentially people who’ve never liked sports before, so trying to say that if they followed other sports is completely in anathema. They never would, that’s why they’re so into MMA and I think that the funniest irony for me, you mentioned the UFC trying to follow some WWE business plans, you know, in terms of where they do events, like they’re interested in Germany for instance and to me the central irony is people going, ‘Well, you know, it proves that pro-wrestling, you know, it validates pro-wrestling and proves pro-wrestling is worthwhile because the UFC is trying to copy the WWE’s playbook!’ when really, essentially they’re trying to follow a treasure map to gullible, ridiculously easy-to-fool marks.

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LUKE THOMAS: “That’s so much… How much more interesting is human success and fallibility and the contradiction between them and trying to make sense of it all. That, to me, trying to unpack that and make sense of it and roll with it and have fun with it, that to me is so is why sport will always beat pro-wrestling and not to say that pro-wrestling hasn’t been hugely at popular. Obviously the 80s were the hey-day, but that… I mean, listen, who is The Rock, right? Who is that guy? Well, Dwayne Johnson is Dwayne Johnson. The Rock is a character and Dwayne Johnson is an actor. It is a human caricature played by a human being. But, to me, Dwayne Johnson as entertaining as some of The Rock’s rants may have been when I was 18 years old or whenever, Dwayne Johnson’s life is vastly more interesting and you know or even locally, let’s take John McCain. I don’t care whether you like John McCain or hate him. Here’s a guy who was a war hero and also left his first wife for his second for really no good reason, you know this is a guy who has served America for many years, fought for America and was tortured in prison, I mean my God one of the best Americans ever, and you know… kind of just left his family hanging and to me that is the essence of who we are. I am many, I contain multitudes. To me, you know, that is why I enjoy sports so much more. Chael Sonnen, for all his inanity, I bet he’s a much more interesting guy than sort of this person he portrayed himself to be and I think if pro-wrestling fans lose that, then you lose part of the reason why sports and our athletes who participate in our sport, THAT is what makes them so interesting.”

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LUKE THOMAS: “Yeah. I would just say that you’re only cheating yourself, you know, you’re only hurting yourself. You’re only giving yourself a very narrow window into a world that I would ask you to believe is significantly more complicated and significantly more interesting because of that complication. You know, you don’t have to have final resolution about somebody, you know somebody’s either black or their white, and I mean that sort of as a moralistic thing, ah, well they’re evil or they’re good or they’re strong or they’re weak. You know, they’re much more than that and you don’t have to have a satisfying feeling about them being predominantly one or the other. You could just say, I don’t know who they really are and I say that all the time about people and that’s OK and that’s still, to me, vastly more interesting than anything else. And people change over the course of their career. BJ Penn isn’t the same guy he was earlier and that’s human development that has changed him. He’s a father now, he’s got lots of money now, he was a two-division champion, you know he’s a much different human being than he was before, you know why lose sight of that?”

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LUKE THOMAS: “Well, I can say this, I don’t know pro-wrestling terminology and I think I’m probably a lot more informed because of it.”

I’ll be back with more on this debate including two very interesting rebuttals from Cage Side Seats, but I wanted to get Luke’s case out there in his own words first.

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Former welterweight number one contender Thiago Alves will start his slow climb back up the division ladder when he faces division prospect John Howard at the upcoming UFC 124 pay-per-view (PPV) from the Bell Centre on Dec. 11 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

Fighter's Only confirmed the previously rumored match-up late last night.

"Pitbull" was put back on his leash by 170-pound stalwart Jon Fitch at UFC 117: "Silva vs. Sonnen" back on Aug. 17. It was his second straight loss after a torrid seven-fight winning streak that saw him topple the likes of Chris Lytle, Matt Hughes and Josh Koscheck.

While his only losses inside the Octagon have come to Fitch (twice) and reigning champion Georges St. Pierre, the welterweight division is one of the promotion's deepest, and it could take several wins to once again see Alves challenging for the belt.

Assuming he can make weight.

UFC President Dana White put Alves on notice following his failure to come in under the division limit at the UFC 117 weigh ins. A career at 170-pounds hinges on his ability to continually make weight and to aid him in that goal, the "Pitbull" camp has brought in nutrition guru Mike Dolce.

Also looking to rebound from a recent loss is Howard. "Doomsday" was in cruise control over the past year and a half, assembling four consecutive wins en route to bigger and better things inside the Octagon.

Enter Jake Ellenberger.

The Nebraskan sent Howard home with a technical knockout loss (doctor's stoppage) after three rounds of abuse at the UFC on Versus 2 event on Aug. 1 in San Diego.

No question the defeat was a setback for the rising star, but a big win over a name like Alves could vault him right back into the mix.

UFC 124 will feature a rematch between division champion Georges St. Pierre and fellow Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 12 coach Josh Koscheck. "Rush" claimed a unanimous decision win over "Kos" when they first met at UFC 74: "Respect" in Aug. 2007.

Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more information on this still-developing fight card.

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In anticipation of their UFC 121 main-event fight, UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar and undefeated challenger Cain Velasquez will be featured in the latest edition of Spike TV's three-part "UFC Primetime" special.

The series debuts Wednesday, Oct. 6, at 10 p.m. ET/PT. Subsequent episodes air in the timeslot on Oct. 13 and Oct. 20.

UFC 121 takes place Oct. 23 at the Honda Center in Newark, Anaheim, Calif., and airs on pay-per-view.

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As a reminder, submissions for the upcoming edition of "The Sunday Junkie" are due Sunday at 10 a.m. ET.

All topics, including Thursday's Bellator 27 event and the numerous events on the horizon, are open for discussion. The person who sends in the submission we deem the best - based on timeliness of subject, clarity and overall persuasiveness - will be invited onto MMAjunkie.com Radio to discuss the topic.

Each winner will also receive a free year's subscription to "Fighters Only," the world's leading MMA and lifestyle magazine!

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A heated conversation ensues when Inside MMA discusses legalizing MMA in NY… Don’t miss a two part interview with Bob Reilly, the New York State Assemblyman who is most vocal legislator in NY that is against MMA.

Inside MMA airs tonight at 9:00 PM EST on HDNet.

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Thanks to everybody who submitted captions for our second Beatdown caption contest we had more entries for this one in the first hour than our entire Boston Fan Expo Lackey contest, which is both telling and hurtful.

Serously, who wouldn't want to hang with Ben and ReX13 for a weekend in beantown? Rex might have even shared some of his sweet dance moves with you.

So who will get to enjoy Beatdown in the privacy of their own home? First some honorable mentions...

"I always knew fighting would get me chicks, but god damn! an orgy with 4 girls!? LUCKY ME!" -Professor MMA

"Only after one of the girls asks Rich exactly what a BJ-J is, Does he realize he signed up for the wrong seminar and it clicks why MJ is the instructor." -El Supreme Nacho

"Photographic proof that Michael Jackson is indeed in hell." -Beelzebuddy

"...Rich wakes up with a throbbing headache. He's in a motel room he doesn't recognise. He can't seem to remember how he got there. He swears he only had the one drink. There's a photo of him and three chicks with a Michael Jackson impersonator on a camera by the bed. "Weird", he thinks aloud. He hears a shower running. He's starting to think he might have taken the girls back here for a night of "Rich creamy love", as he calls it. He hears high-pitched giggling from the bathroom, a smile spreads across his face.
Then he sees it, a white sequined glove on the bedside table..." -Rear Naked Poke who painted such a vivid picture it was somewhat disturbing.

And now the winners...

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